how is nunawading?

yeah thanks

Here is a link to the rankings which is some assistance, but of course based on historical performances:

https://www.morningtonbasketball.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Rankings-2021-22-Associations-1.pdf

go to as many as possible, talk to people, due your homework and make a choice - find your best fit.

I hear Melbourne Tigers are always strong

What's happened at Tigers - thought they were the powerhouse?!

Is that right? Didn't think the parents had much voice there.

Administration is the issue at Tigers(boys), not parents. They are very much a tier 2 club now, far from a powerhouse.

Girls program is fine - totally seperate from boys program

Southern peninsula is in turmoil. Juniors are a mess.

Admin can be an issue at clubs. VJBL hard enough on parents without being subject to poor admin. Coaching also v important, so any club that is falling away prob has issues on both fronts, and kids / parents start looking elsewhere. Feeds off itself, I guess.

Admin is massive problem but what's worse is the senior programs which juniors usually subsidise. Money goes on paying players for no reason other than ego

So what's the breakdown in costs? How much of a parents fee goes to their kids program versus senior?

Always interesting to see the clearance list and which VC / top players move. Good indication.

juniors paying for senior players game wages is the way its meant to work - don't you want your kid to be able to make a modest living from the game if they were good enough?? I hate people who don't want senior payments but then want clubs with senior teams for their kid to play in. You can't have it both ways its a fact of the basketball economy. and the clubs that do it well are the successful ones.

Makes sense, but would be good for some senior players to spend time with the juniors and to create some sense of club - otherwise it's just a gift to a group if unknowns.

The good clubs get that from their players, but not all players are coaches? if you pay a guy to play basketball you're not hiring him because he likes running kids birthday parties you're hiring him to put the ball in the hoop. Pay for a coaching director etc (where do you think the doC wage comes from?)

It's not the way it's meant to work at all! Senior program needs to be self sufficient, through things like sponsorships, entrance fees, bar and senior players payments.
All these clubs take junior fees and don't pay it to local players, it goes to imports or players from other areas. If there is poor oversight then those junior programs get bled dry.
Many other sporting clubs actually split the two. Rugby afl cricket operate under one name but two seperate clubs. Interestingly junior clubs prevent seniors from blowing money.

I agree. I don't see why juniors should have to pay for seniors particularly when it’s not disclosed how much they are contributing to the senior program and it’s not clear what benefit they get. Maybe that’s the point - this is how it works because no one asks where the money goes!

#872946 what's happened? It was premier female program in state?

If you want a program that has been tier 1 in all age groups and both boys and girls for as long I can remember you would be looking at Spectres. Other clubs have had success some time with boys, sometimes with girl and in some age groups. Spectres has been up in the top clubs for the past 20 years. They had a dip in the boys many years ago but that has been good for the past 10 years. Casey has overtaken Dandenong and with Hawthorn in all sorts it will be interesting to see which clubs benefit from that, it sounds like Camberwell.

It will be interesting to watch Dandenong. I hope that the new leadership can bring the club back to where it was when it was very much a club to be at. It might take time though