west girls is interesting (way lower numbers than I expected) - I'd rate their program one of the top 5 in SA.

South and Norwood remain the leading power bases.

Expect Woodville grls to improve next season or two.

A lot of instability at Woodville at the moment with players and coaches looking for the door, outside of 18s with Danyle I would expect playing numbers to drop on the girls side.

I think everyone wants woodvile to improve..
No one wants them to regress to pre covid times with no div 1 girls teams.

With that said TheTruth is right.

Seems like woodvile is losing coaches and could lose players quickly. Retaining 1 coach on the girls and 1 coach on the boys side from the prior season doesn't seem positive.

Hopefully they have HIT on these coaches and they retain players...

I might be remembering wrong but didnt Danyle have a team taken from him at south very recently?
Might be unrelated or just south people talking badly of him leaving, but just reporting alleged news.

Woodville are in all sorts of trouble at the moment. Yet another exodus of coaches, players also leaving, their JDO gone and minimal experience in their coaching line up.

Good luck to Danyle, he's going to need it.

Agree with the talk surrounding woodville.. things will get even worse before they get better. Perhaps a change in leadership is needed.

I dont think Woodville are the only Club in dissaray.

Southern Tigers have replaced 6 of last years coaches with kids with no Div 1 experience. Given there program is the worst in the state I cant see how that is going to help.

Many committee members and their family members now coaching Div 1.

Now there is a Club needing a chnage in leadership.

Pearce was offered a Div 1 spot at South but turned it down as he didn't get what he wanted. Been shafting people in the background for a few months to try and get what he wants so now has left and even got a position at Woodville that the AC was originally given... Woodville, Southern and Eastern and Centrals are in all sorts of trouble and cant see them recovering Guess time will tell ,, Be interesting what trial numbers each Club gets

So what's changed at Woodville that seems to have created this turmoil? Freer turned them around big time a few years back so why the unhappiness? Despite moving on from his role he says he's going to continue with the club at board level I believe.
Getting Gahan on board on the girls side would seem to be a positive move, might not have the experience in that exact role but has more than enough knowledge and background than a lot of other people at other clubs
And Woodville are hardly the lone Ranger in musical chairs in the coaching ranks. I remember when most clubs had semblance of stability with coaches staying in the same role for years. But now I think there's a combination of politics, burn out or chasing better opportunities if there's a age group coming through that isn't strong. Certain coaches have half a dozen different polo shirts because they want to win and clubs will take them over someone that's been there for a while. Just look at North a few years back when they brought the dream team of junior coaches in, went to absolute crap and they left again because they didn't want to deal with the fallout.

Both Freer and his mate Rinaldi are gone from Woodville much to the dismay of many of the people there.

They have a 19 year old JDO on the boys side.

to Just Saying - Southern are not the worst club in the state, although they are trying.

woodville's only div1/2 team to make finals is the U10 D2 Girls... thats a big ouch!

Southern have atleast 2 div 1 and 2 div 2 teams that made top 4.

If we also go off the state champs points didnt woodvile finish with 0 points on boths sides? They seem to be at the bottom but they dont have any experienced people around to help the club rise up the ranks.

They all look like 1st or 2nd time div 1 coaches, without much exp assisting or working with any form of competent coaches prior.

Southerns coaching line up seems to be very similar, inexperienced, ect. But they MIGHT have something to work with.

Unsure about Woodvilles JDO situation havent seen anything announced but if it is a 19 yr old, what experience do they have of working with coaches? bringing coaches in? parent complaints?

Seems like a massive job for someone so young...

*Woodville's 10G2 finalists are their 1 team. Not really a positive.

Most clubs are clearly struggling to find and keep experienced coaches. Further to that, experienced and good coaches.

As life becomes busier and busier for most, cost of living makes luxuries tighter and tighter volunteering for such big hours would appear to have become toomuch for most. That's before taking into account the usual club politics, bsa incompetence and clashes with parents that push coaches out of the game year after year.

Parent behaviour is a big issue for coaching burnout. Even in lower grades and young age groups parents demanding thier kid be given the world.

Woodville had a big chance to strengthen the boys program a few years ago when they had huge numbers at tryouts at $50 a pop and for a number reasons could not capitalise. Another exodus on the boys side will happen again.

Woodville started to turn things around 5 or so years ago during Freer's first stint there. He had the connections and the experience to bring in experienced coaches to help turn it around. They won U18 boys one year and 14 boys the next. Things were looking good.

Unfortunately they are again a mess and when what they need most is experience and connections again, what they get is a kid with neither. It's not the kid's fault but people in power need to be held accountable when it gets worse, not better, which it will.

For a club with a history of doing dumb stuff, this is a whole new level. When what they desperately need is experience, they do the opposite.

Still don't buy into the Freer hype but nonetheless, if Woodville's best choice was a relatively unknown 19 year old (agree not their fault, good on them for having a go,) it falls in line with the trend across most Adelaide clubs.

Maybe the money/time commitment a Club Committee allocates isn't equitable for such an important role?

Maybe the restrictions on coach selection, style/philosphy, micro-management by committee makes the role unappealing.

Maybe restrictions on the person's budget for programs makes success in the position impossible?

And maybe clubs are taking too much money out of junior programs to spend on NBL1 programs leaving too little in the coffers for the junior program to succeed in 2025.

I doubt Woodville turned down experienced people with success in JDO roles in the past for someone without such experience and success on their CV. There just are so few people who fit the role in Adelaide, and even less willing to do the role for what most clubs are willing to offer.

Apologies to current JDOs or coaching directors, but you'd have to be an idiot to do it. Pay isn't that great, 90% or more of the job is dealing with obnoxious parents and the majority are considered failures because their teams aren't successful. Sounds great to be paid to be involved in basketball full-time, but there's a reason why they're either recycled or inexperienced.
Freer was able to flesh out that 18s team with his connections with the African kids and got one of the fair weather coaches to take them, only appears when a team has a chance to win.
Still curious about that rumoured edict from BSA that all clubs had to be competitive in juniors for their NBL1 licence to continue.

It doesn't seem Woodville advertised for the role.
There was nothing on social media about replacing Freer.

They did announce Tracey Phillips to do the girls' side.... She has the playing experience, but does she have any real coaching experience? any local basketball experience? any player development experience?

If you are going to split the JDOs boys and girls, surely you want someone who understands the basketball landscape in SA. Does she know local coaches to recruit? does she have a relationship with players at any level?

I wonder if the club hasn't prioritised the positions highly and have tried to get a "big" name in Tracey and get this young guy in, hoping it is more a babysitting role rather than what it is...

As someone in basketball, I am concerned that Woodville will end up with the girls' side falling apart, the boys' side being barrel scrapers. Not a good look for the sport. How long would that be viable for a club?

Sturt bringing the old guard back. Turny back at the Sabres.

Sturt bringing the old guard back. Turny back at the Sabres.

All this talk about South, Norwood and Forestville being powerhouses and Woodville struggling, however I think that clubs in SA are sleeping on how well the North boys program is performing, considering how many boys and coaches they lost in the age of other clubs creating super teams.

This year the under 12s, 14s and 16s all qualified for classics. Their under 14s won silver at the tournament and 12s finished 5th overall. The club definitely had some dark days and we all know the reasons why but the rebuild has come a lot quicker than the majority of people in this state predicted.

100% GWC

All clubs have their issues, they all have their high's and lows. I think we need to be more supportive, have less conflict of interest, less of parents having their input and demanding what is required of their child’s court time etc. If all clubs play fair, do the right thing by their members maybe we would all have better clubs to play in! The people up the top running the clubs are accountable for all the failures within the clubs. The JDO’s not performing and not being held accountable for their lack of attention and support of their own programmes. The powerhouse clubs, Norwood, South, forrestville.... Their time is coming, sooner than you think! Support your clubs and your members, focus on club culture, provide a great environment for your players, get rid of politics within your clubs and stay true to your values.

All clubs have their issues, they all have their high's and lows. I think we need to be more supportive, have less conflict of interest, less of parents having their input and demanding what is required of their child’s court time etc. If all clubs play fair, do the right thing by their members maybe we would all have better clubs to play in! The people up the top running the clubs are accountable for all the failures within the clubs. The JDO’s not performing and not being held accountable for their lack of attention and support of their own programmes. The powerhouse clubs, Norwood, South, forrestville.... Their time is coming, sooner than you think! Support your clubs and your members, focus on club culture, provide a great environment for your players, get rid of politics within your clubs and stay true to your values.

All clubs have their issues, they all have their high's and lows. I think we need to be more supportive, have less conflict of interest, less of parents having their input and demanding what is required of their child’s court time etc. If all clubs play fair, do the right thing by their members maybe we would all have better clubs to play in! The people up the top running the clubs are accountable for all the failures within the clubs. The JDO’s not performing and not being held accountable for their lack of attention and support of their own programmes. The powerhouse clubs, Norwood, South, forrestville.... Their time is coming, sooner than you think! Support your clubs and your members, focus on club culture, provide a great environment for your players, get rid of politics within your clubs and stay true to your values.

All clubs have their issues, they all have their high's and lows. I think we need to be more supportive, have less conflict of interest, less of parents having their input and demanding what is required of their child’s court time etc. If all clubs play fair, do the right thing by their members maybe we would all have better clubs to play in! The people up the top running the clubs are accountable for all the failures within the clubs. The JDO’s not performing and not being held accountable for their lack of attention and support of their own programmes. The powerhouse clubs, Norwood, South, forrestville.... Their time is coming, sooner than you think! Support your clubs and your members, focus on club culture, provide a great environment for your players, get rid of politics within your clubs and stay true to your values.

Thanks, Player01, for posting that 4 times.

I think the horn of this thread is the lows Woodville has experienced was having only 1 div1 girls team and the boys living at the bottom of the ladder, actual firm conversation and concern that Western Magic was going to get a large portion of St Clair as a team that could not enter div 1.

Woodville is having a mass turnover of coaching, losing 2(?) JDOs?, It's not a great look. When you add in that they have 0 teams from either side making finals... big concern.

I cannot remember a time in the past 30 years that Norwood hasn't been a top 5 club. Forestville has had highs and lows, but its girls' program has always been a rock.

South has recently gained competency, but you can probably attribute this to the fall of Southern and the weakening of Sturt.

When was Woodville last a top 5 club?
As mentioned above, "Freer turned them around big time a few years" but what was the turnaround... the girls got full and the boys had a couple of teams make classics. maybe you could argue 6th/5th best in that moment, but it lasted up until he left, and they are back at the bottom again.
Why is it Woodville in the last 25 years has had more years where they have their teams finish bottom or not even be in Div 1 vs being average?

Woodville's lows are lower than any club in the state for the past 25 years.
If we were to graph Woodvilles journey since 2000 from worst clubs to best clubs in terms of performance, player development, ect ...
they would be trending down the bottom for nearly 18 years, pick up for 2 and then have regressed to being a bottom 2 club again...

As I said in the beginning, I honestly believe everyone in the state wants Woodville to be better/competent, because everyone who has been in basketball longer than 5 mins knows that Woodville's lows are the lowest in the state, to the point where they are considering not existing anymore.

can recall woodville having 2-3 teams in every girls grade around 2002 - looking back IMO was probably their best years for numbers - 2 age grades were D1 top 3.
That's when we also had U20 W.

happy to give '02... my memory of 23 years ago isnt fantastic!

Still, we talking about a time period where someone that is 22 years old has never seen Woodville be a top tier club in juniors. That person would have seen Woodville not fill almost every age group for girls in Div 1 though.

Grote 12, please excited the post x 4, wasn't meant to be posted 4 times. New to hoops! Lots of ads and found it hard to navigate. However I wish Woodville all the best. No one likes to see a club struggle. At the end of the day it’s about the kids. Well we hope it is, but money, politics, patents spoil it all. Just wish clubs would be more accountable for this behaviour on clubs and focus on what’s really important.
All the best.

Many clubs have had lean times - I think Tracy will definitely improve things and bring network contacts.

Success is hard and real success takes time.

All of those clubs mentioned had visions and a plan and good people to lead that vision.

Forestville is a great example. Their boys have had some good years but not the ongoing success of their girls. Same club. Same advantages. Different outcome.

And yes mistakes and failures of clubs close by can help, if a club is doing things well and seen as a better option.

Every club that has fallen away has done so due to mistakes within that club. They will blame others but its always self inflicted.

Lastly not all clubs start at the same place or work in the same conditions.

There's a big difference between the eastern suburbs and parts of the west and south. There's different competition basketball and other sports. And theres different brand power in the basketball community and with past players who then become parents.

Success is hard. Failure is quick and easy.

correct nightwing.

And depends what is valued as success ?

Premierships ? State Players ? NBA / WNBA / NBL / WNBL players ? returning juniors ? financial stability ? attendances at NBL 1 games ? Growing club ?
Amount of volunteers / committee ? Bar / canteen and takings ? Aussie hoop attendances ? Domestic comp ? Ability to fill coaching spots ?

i.e. I believe Tigers is the home grassroots club of our only NBA players from SA ?

What I did like a few years ago was the WNBL put pictures of Opals or WNBL players in their junior club's uniform - that was a great connection. And they should do that again.

These powerhouse clubs look powerful on the outside but definitely struggling on the inside behind those club doors. Major fractures happening at Norwood right now! They got too powerful and money hungry that they've lost site on the club culture and players. Largest club with minimal volunteers. For them it’s all about money. JDO hasn’t been seen all season amongst the juniors. Sadly driven by politics and parents that have a big input. Conflict of interest within their club is next level. If you’re thinking of jumping clubs, do your homework! It’s not always greener. All the clubs have big issues! Not sure how this can be managed. Sad!

Forestville boys were worst in the state a few years back before they benefited from the North departures and overnight they became relevant.
Can't remember the exact politics of Lynne Hollands departure from Woodville, but that was probably the start of their massive decline, between them and Central's they've been easily the worst performing girls program with just a couple of exceptions.
And welcome back Herman, aka Dotman, now Player01.

Surprising about Norwood, particularly as they have so many teams. Had expected a few more.
North also surprises me, I had expected more teams in the finals.
I see Centrals improving in the future (hopefully).

Grand Finals coming in the week ahead. Below is a summary of all grades

Junior Boys
South 12 total, 2 Div 1, 6 Div 1/2
Norwood 14 total, 1 Div 1, 5 Div 1/2
North 6 total, 2 Div 1, 3 Div 1/2
Sturt 5 total, 1 Div 1, 2 Div 1/2
Forestville 12 total, 2 Div 1, 2 Div 1/2
Southern 5 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Eastern 2 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Woodville 7 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2
West 5 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2
Centrals 2 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2

Junior Girls
Norwood 10 total, 3 Div 1, 5 Div 1/2
South 5 total, 2 Div 1, 4 Div 1/2
Sturt 5 total, 1 Div 1, 3 Div 1/2
North 5 total, 2 Div 1, 2 Div 1/2
Forestville 5 total, 1 Div 1, 2 Div 1/2
Centrals 1 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
West 3 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Woodville 3 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Eastern 1 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Southern 0 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2

Juniors Total
Norwood 24 total, 4 Div 1, 10 Div 1/2
South 17 total, 4 Div 1, 10 Div 1/2
North 11 total, 4 Div 1, 5 Div 1/2
Sturt 10 total, 2 Div 1, 5 Div 1/2
Forestville 17 total, 3 Div 1, 4 Div 1/2
Eastern 3 total, 1 Div 1, 2 Div 1/2
Southern 5 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Centrals 3 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
West 8 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Woodville 10 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2

glad you did that nightwing - saved me a job !

would be interesting to see %'s of teams per club - i.e. 10 from 50 made GFs

and then see the best average %

probably give you a better idea how clubs are going on court

Surprised at Wests overall ranking. Outside looking in they have a very good program , great connection with the NBL1 team.

Sturt and North doing well after the issues both clubs went through in recent years.

Will be interesting if the West/ Woodville/ North / Central
Combined domestic comp has any impact on the clubs performance over the coming years.

the strong domestic comps seemed to have helped South and Norwood's district results.

So i'd say it will help - there is a big gap of suburbia between West, North and Centrals - a lot of opportunity.

Great opportunity for players to go to other clubs! With the new AJBL (Adelaide Junior Basketball league) that has just launched, this will also bring many great players and opportunities to these clubs as well.
At the end of the day all the kids deserve an opportunity! The larger clubs only focus on their Div 1 and 2 teams. The rest of the divisions are sadly just a money grab for these larger clubs.

Great opportunity for players to go to other clubs! With the new AJBL (Adelaide Junior Basketball league) that has just launched, this will also bring many great players and opportunities to these clubs as well.
At the end of the day all the kids deserve an opportunity! The larger clubs only focus on their Div 1 and 2 teams. The rest of the divisions are sadly just a money grab for these larger clubs.

Why'd you leave the Dotman persona Herman?
Embarrassed about your mate Daniel Johnson?

Nothing to be embarrassed about DJ. Ornamate to the game. Your fixation off negatively not improved. DJ been incredibly icon.power to sixers.

Ok Herman/Dotman/Player01. So proud you change your pseudonym.
Such an icon he got booted and his amazing record of his team not winning a championship continues, has he won 2 or so in his local career?

Omg Phanta man you fizated.DJ club icon.Singlet retireee..NBL all star teams by many.so many accolades.so many of the greats never achieve the ultimate success they richly deserve. That's the completions nature and competitive beast. Perseverance resilience competitiveness longevity humility. Getoff your sadness.

Player01, many were happy when the club let him go. All those years of threatening to leave, sulking on the bench. Any reason he only got a couple of games for Sem before even they moved on? CJ's only claim to fame was finally moving him to the bench and he pouted and bitched the whole time.
Fixated, imagine creating 3 personas and still not making sense because you're a poor attempt at a troll.
Facts are DJ was and has always been a selfish player and not a winner. The club was more obliged to retire his jersey because of individual stats, not because of team success. Won't even get that locally because he just chases the money and puts in half arsed efforts when things get tough. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes to another club offering more money next season, already suited up for half of them.
I suppose he's got 3 fans, Dotman, Herman and now Player01.

This thread is a history all to itself....

Started as a juniors post, turned into a woodville are in trouble post, now into Player01 and The Phantom exchanging obscure jabs about Daniel Johnson.

Hoops is truely a magical place.

lol, I think they got Player 01 mixed in the wrong conversation. Yes agree though! It's a shambles this thread!

Think poor old phantom man had some delisional problems with confusion. Agree bestter to keep on track.meandering too hard to track.

Sorry, just hate this clueless twat so much, be interested if they post from same address.

I feel like these nicks all go back to the original and worst one of them all in DDFan who was the guy my sacked from a volunteer role by the Sixers and later on permabanned by isaac.

Mid-August and junior basketball in SA is over for another year, still crazy that it finishes so early.

Congratulations to all teams, in particular those Championship winners listed below by Club.

*I apologise if in my rush to post this I made any errors. Also as this doesn't always compare same for same, in my opinion, just taking this list as proof of a club being strong or weak/had a good year or bad year; would be very flawed logic.

Junior Boys
Norwood 5 total, 1 Div 1, 4 Div 1/2
Forestville 9 total, 2 Div 1, 2 Div 1/2
South 6 total, 0 Div 1, 2 Div 1/2
North 4 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Southern 3 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Woodville 3 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2
West 2 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2
Centrals 1 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2
Eastern 1 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2
Sturt 1 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2


Junior Girls
South 4 total, 2 Div 1, 4 Div 1/2
Norwood 3 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
North 2 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Centrals 1 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Sturt 3 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
West 3 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Woodville 3 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Eastern 0 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2
Forestville 0 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2
Southern 0 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2

Juniors Total
South 10 total, 2 Div 1, 6 Div 1/2
Norwood 8 total, 2 Div 1, 5 Div 1/2
Forestville 9 total, 2 Div 1, 2 Div 1/2
North 6 total, 2 Div 1, 2 Div 1/2
Southern 3 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Centrals 2 total, 1 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Woodville 6 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
West 5 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Sturt 4 total, 0 Div 1, 1 Div 1/2
Eastern 1 total, 0 Div 1, 0 Div 1/2

I feel it is good it finishes now - gives everyone a break

Norwood and South flexing as the strongest junior clubs

Season over. Well done to all winners. Now the recruiting of players which isn't allowed can kick into full swing.

Season over. Well done to all winners. Now the recruiting of players which isn't allowed can kick into full swing.

Season over. Well done to all winners. Now the recruiting of players which isn't allowed can kick into full swing.

Apologies for multiple posting

where are the numbers moving ? any numbers of significance ?

https://ibb.co/g58zmY6

South Adelaide 10
Forestville 9
Norwood 8
North Adelaide 6
Woodville 6
West Adelaide 5
Sturt 4
Southern 3
Centrals 2
Eastern 1
SA Church 1
United Districts 1
North-West 1

so what are these numbers ?

great snapshot Levs

Is the transfer list still available to the public?

No, hasn't been since BSA moved to Basketball Connect.

that old transfer list was never 100% correct anyway

+ correct, some clubs used their access to GameDay to hide their clearances.