Foxwell
Glover
Harrison
Henshall
Smith

Probably a few more that I missed

"Jaylin Galloway - maybe not as young as some of the other guys but clearly one of the best Aussie prospects floating around."

Is he not younger than everyone on the list bar Daniels?

"Is he not younger than everyone on the list bar Daniels?'

Turns out I am wrong, I thought because he'd been around for a bit that he was older.

ME, i wouldnt call most of those guys overly young

Only Daniels, Galloway, Ducas are under 25, and Ducas turns 25 in a couple of months.

Even Stoddart who has barely cracked the NBL is 25, so unlikely to have a major future.

So I think you can rule the rest of those guys out developing into anything close to Boomers A team or NBA.

The Aus/NZ guys 23 or under in the NBL are Mannenga, Foxwell, Henshall, Daniels, Davidson, Gristi, Rassmussen, J Galloway, Bayles, Okwera, Murray

Of those very I think only Daniels, Galloway, Henshall would have any shot at Boomers/NBA, and that really may only end up being Daniels.

"The Aus/NZ guys 23 or under in the NBL are Mannenga, Foxwell, Henshall, Daniels, Davidson, Gristi, Rassmussen, J Galloway, Bayles, Okwera, Murray"

Only one per team on average. For all the talk of the NBL's development pathways, it seems like most decent young players are not choosing it.

The nbl can't be all things to all people. If it's going to be one of the top 3-4 leagues in the world then only top 20 draft picks are likely to get decent minutes and lottery picks lucky to get any minutes at all.

So for the average college level basketballer the nbl is not going to be suitable really other than as a DP

So the preference is for it to be valuable for one and done Europeans and the odd American who doesn't have the grades to get into college over Aussie and Kiwi kids then?

It isnt a top 3-4 league and doesn't need to be. It just needs to be the best league in Australia and NZ and support Australian and New Zealand talent.

The NBL either tries to create the best competition it can, prioritize next stars and allows Australians to filter through that are good enough, creating a financially viable league where players develop against top international players, or it takes a nationalistic approach, prioritizes Australian college kids that may not be as good, and the league slips away into irrelevance but hey, more Australians will play "pro basketball", but the ones that do wont be paid nearly as well and the league would basically collapse.

The NBL owes its existence to its imports and the league absolutely should aim to be a top 3/4 league in the world. Australian basketball became a powerhouse by sharpening players against imports and the introduction of American coaches. The league should look to expand to create more opportunities for Australian kids - yes - but as it does so, it should also expand import quotas allowing for the standard of play to improve along with it. And when those Australian kids outplay the imports, they'll take their minutes. We shouldnt be granting roster spots to Aussie kids that just aren't that good because we're a basketball charity. That doesnt do anything for Australian basketball

The NBL either tries to create the best competition it can, prioritize next stars and allows Australians to filter through that are good enough, creating a financially viable league where players develop against top international players, or it takes a nationalistic approach, prioritizes Australian college kids that may not be as good, and the league slips away into irrelevance but hey, more Australians will play "pro basketball", but the ones that do wont be paid nearly as well and the league would basically collapse.

The NBL owes its existence to its imports and the league absolutely should aim to be a top 3/4 league in the world. Australian basketball became a powerhouse by sharpening players against imports and the introduction of American coaches. The league should look to expand to create more opportunities for Australian kids - yes - but as it does so, it should also expand import quotas allowing for the standard of play to improve along with it. And when those Australian kids outplay the imports, they'll take their minutes. We shouldnt be granting roster spots to Aussie kids that just aren't that good because we're a basketball charity. That doesnt do anything for Australian basketball

The league isn't any more financially viable now than it was back when 90% of the Boomers squad played it in and we were consistently one of the best half dozen nations in the world. Its just that the owners have deeper pockets, one in particular who has been propping the league up to keep it looking good.

That won't last forever.

We will never have a top 3-4 league because the finances will never work out. We cannot compete with the level of imports that European teams get at that top level. And unlike european leagues, we usually have at best 10% of our best players playing here.

Striving to match or better european leagues is simply a fools errand and an ego trip. Might feel good for a while, but pretending its sustainable is just silly.

I actually wrote a long spiel on this but it got lost and hoops dropped out, in a nutshell though.
Nbl is a high quality league, with the same teams normally in the top battling for championship. It's also a small league, 10 teams.
NBA is obviously the top and most talented league though far from my favourite. Finals the game changes to be better.
Europe has at least six, seven top leagues, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Turkey, Greece, Lithuania, others also very strong. There is no salary cap but most have import rules, vary from country to country. Spain two imports and four bosman plus some African rule. Germany has six straight imports, no matter where they come from.
Like the nbl though, some teams play for finals, the bigger teams, normally two or three for championships and others to avoid relegation. Most leagues have 16/18 teams.
The Nbl does lose good players to Europe and some Asian leagues, I also believe that there is very capable players in nbl1 that don’t get a start which is disappointing. Imo the nbl needs at least two more teams, the talent is there, even some college players come back and don’t get a start.

I don't understand your point cram. Are you saying they should make the nbl focused on local development players which obviously brings in less audience and money and means paying less. Which in turn sees the top local players move overseas to play?

And if so isn't that basically the nbl1 which most top locals avoid by playing foreign leagues?

In that case you there's no Chavez you'd get players like giddey and dash daniels because they'd play in better leagues overseas to build toward the draft.

It's a matter of preference but I'd prefer a high level league that includes the top locals rather than a third tier league that includes nearly all development players that can't get higher paying contracts overseas